Fat men are a feminist issue, BECAUSE WE ALL HATE THE WIMMENZ!!

Posted: October 20, 2014 in Uncategorized

So, I’ve had this particular blog entry in the back of my mind for quite a while. I started it ages ago but since then, this stupid thing called life, well, that and other blogs, has got in the way! I’ll tell you how long it’s been, this should have been the next blog after my ‘1 year anniversary’ blog entry. That was the 25th of August. Yeah, a long time. Blogs on rape culture and female entitlement pushed this one to the back of the line. But, never mind, I’m writing it now and that’s all that matters. Unfortunately, I can’t use any of the stuff that was already pre-written because it’s horribly out of date, but never mind, I’ll just start from scratch.

I wrote a blog a few months ago about thin privilege and how I thought it was all bullshit. I still think that but there was one aspect that I never really touched upon in that article, the idea of fatphobia. Now, to me, the concept of fatphobia is just as stupid as the concept of thin privilege. Fat people are generally the butt of any jokes when it comes to weight, but they are not the sole targets and to think otherwise is simple victimhood. Thin people may not be targeted as often (or maybe they are, I really don’t know) but they are targets.

Anyone who reads this blog, and has read it for a year, knows that I make my anti-feminist views pretty clear. I’m not anti-equal rights, I just find the feminist movement to be a mish-mash of horrible people and misguided policies. However, that doesn’t mean I think the entire concept is flawed. I’m beginning to think it’s beyond repair, at least in any way that would make it appeal to men, but there are some facets of it that I think are heading in the right direction. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think feminism understands men, at all, but it is trying to be somewhat more inclusive. That doesn’t mean I’m renouncing my ways and becoming feminist, just that I can see some semblance of sanity in some of the stuff they say.

So, when I found an article that carried this headline:

Fat Men Are a Feminist Issue

I was actually impressed, I thought I’d maybe found an article about men that was going to approach the situation in a decent way, perhaps a more measured way.

But that was stupid of me. You see, not even fat men are safe from the utter victimhood of feminism. Not only is fatphobia all about hating women and wanting to police their bodies (which is so fucking stupid) but:

what I’ve realized recently is that in some ways, the fatphobia that fat men experience is also a result of misogyny.

So there you have it, right from the horse’s, fat, mouth (the author calls herself fat, I’m certainly not going to miss the opportunity). Apparently, when we take the mickey out of fat men it’s because we hate women. Not all the time, but often enough. I’m not going to qualify every point I make with ‘but that’s not all the time’ because that would be stupid and time consuming. So just assume I’m not talking about every single instance of fat ridiculing, just those ones that are relevant.

I mean, that is such a bullshit statement but, in a way, I truly admire it as well. Come on, the amount of mental gymnastics it must take to spin this issue to be about misogyny is awe-inspiring. Literally nothing is about misandry, nothing. I could say ‘I hate mushrooms’ (which I do) and some deluded feminist would somehow twist that round and say ‘well, mushrooms are shaped like umbrellas, societal norms dictate women are the ones who purchase and use umbrellas in the rain. By not liking mushrooms you’re showing a blatant disregard for women’s health needs in the rain. Basically, you want them to get wet.’

Actually, I do want them to get wet, but it won’t be from the rain (boo-yah, that was a sex joke!)

Anyway, this is modern feminism, this is why this blog exists, because of moronic things like that.

But why do I think it’s stupid to suggest fatphobia is about policing women’s bodies? Well, the fact that this article is talking about fat men should be all the answer you need. We ridicule fat people of both sexes, to say that ‘fatphobia’ (which in and of itself is a stupid term, much like thin privilege) is solely limited to women is, yet again, an example of feminist victimhood. And anyway, the word policing is so stupid, the police actually exist to uphold laws, no matter how fucked up they are, there’s no law about what you can and can’t eat (apart from other human beings and shit) so to suggest otherwise is batshit. Yeah, people can try and tell you what the correct things to eat are but, at the end of the day, they can’t enforce it so, no, they aren’t policing your body, they’re simply being patronizing cunts. Ignore them and move the fuck on.

Anyway, fat men are ridiculed because we hate women, apparently. Right, cool. Apparently:

Fat men are often perceived as possessing “looser morals” or less discipline, traits historically ascribed to women and femininity.

Never mind the ‘traits historically associated with women’ line, it’s more the ‘fat men are less disciplined’ line that I like. Does she realise that, actually, having no discipline is precisely the reason they’re fat in the first place? Literally speaking, fat people eat more than they should, when that little voice in their head says ‘well, I’m pretty full now’ a fat person generally ignores the shit out of it and carries on.

No discipline is a very valid reason that fat men are fat. How you can spin that round to somehow be based on hatred of women, because historically women are seen as loose is insane! We see fat men as being looser or lacking morals because that’s exactly what they are. A fat man gets fat because he eats too much, therefore lacking discipline when it comes to eating. But then, this is a feminist writing this article, so of course it can’t be as simple as that.

Let’s drop some personal truths. I’ve spoken briefly about my weight in a previous blog, but I’ll repeat here. I’m 28, in the last 10 years my weight has fluctuated massively. I tend to operate on a 5 stone scale, at the moment I’m pretty fat, but at times in the past I’ve been 3, 4, 5 stone lighter. If I went in the gym every day for the next 6 months and started eating right I could pretty easily lose those that weight again.

At no point have I ever thought that jokes made about my weight were because my body was becoming feminised or because I was somehow invading the ‘breast space’ with my moobs. They make jokes because it’s not natural for my body to look like this, no matter how much you piss and moan otherwise. I put on weight simply because I don’t care about being disciplined in my diet. Simple as that.

There is some science addressed to this article, but I’m going to skim over it and get to the social implications. The science bit may be all well and good, and I have seen it on other websites and pages that fat men do produce more estrogen, but that’s not really what I want to address. I want to talk about the mental gymnastics of the rest of the article and how Virgie Tovar (the author) seems to think that jokes about fat men are rooted in misogyny.

So, number 1) Chemical feminisation:

The main point of contention here is that, apparently, fat men make better lovers because they can last longer.

Tovar says:

Because fat people have been taught that our bodies are wrong and unattractive, I’ve found that self-consciousness can be a major factor in achieving orgasm during sex.

So let’s just ignore the scientific research and go for social stigma. I’d hazard a guess and say most people find fat bodies unattractive. Hell, I have a fat body and I don’t find it particularly attractive. I’m not saying that there aren’t those out there that prefer the larger lover, but to say that scientific evidence is inherently flawed and that, really, it’s all to do with nasty society is pretty much a typical feminist tactic of ignoring something that actually gives a solid foundation for an answer and replacing it with ‘the feels’

I’m sure self-consciousness can be a major factor in achieving orgasm, but to suggest it is the only reason, and not that simply coupled with others is ludicrous.

Tovar also takes issue with the idea that fat men are ‘less masculine’, as the report suggests, and states that:

Her statement calls into question the gender and virility of fat men, a tool that is based in the cultural understanding that for a man to be perceived in any way as woman-like is a source of shame.

I like how she’s completely disregarding science in order to shoehorn her own agenda in. The use of the word ‘apparently’ in the scientific report allows Tovar a convenient way of ignoring scientific research and saying ‘science is wrong, I’m right’.

A fat man to be perceived as a woman is a source of shame? Hardly, but it is fucking annoying. Do you want to know why? Because men are not women, and vice versa. I hate this stupid assertion that men getting upset when being labelled women is somehow related to an inherent hatred of women. It’s pathetic, blanket victimhood. I’ve been mistaken for a woman before, numerous times. Mainly because I have long hair, so from behind people just assume I’m female. It still happens in my 20s and, yes, it still pisses me off. Not because I’m some misogynist cunt but because I’m simply not a woman. Cultural understanding? Sure, why not just try and claim that society itself hates women.

I do find it funny that calling a male-to-female trans ‘he’ when they have transitioned is some horrible slight worthy of crying over, amid screams of ‘don’t misgender me’, yet a man being upset about being likened to a woman is somehow not the same.

  1. Fat Castration

Yeah, seriously. There’s a scene in Austin Powers that involves a fat man not being able to find his penis:


So, how is it linked to misogyny? Because, apparently, according to Tovar, it’s all to do with the idea that a fat man not being able to find his penis is somehow infantilising, a trait we’ve reserved for women:

It literally represents the idea that fat men cannot find their penis (a level of condescension typically reserved only for women, by the way) or that they haven’t seen their penis in years, or are otherwise metaphorically castrated by their fat.

Fat castration is a term that Tovar herself has made up, It’s not a feminist theory, it’s not a theory of any kind, it’s literally something that has been made up with the express intention of showing how fat men are in fact a feminist issue, because laughing at a man who is so fat he can’t find his penis isn’t because it’s just funny, it’s because we hate women.

Tovar states 2 things about fat castration. 1) it’s infantilizing and 2) the ‘missing penis’ represent cultural anxiety about sexual differentiation.

The leap from ‘you can’t see your penis because you’re so fat’ to ‘we’re treating you like an infant, we also treat women like infants, therefore making fun of fat men is misogyny’ is a feat of mental gymnastics that, in all honesty, should really be applauded. I mean, yeah it’s absolute insanity to make a leap of logic that flawed, but the attempt itself deserves some credit.

I’ll make a point here that I’ll come back to – we still define a man, and what it is to be ‘masculine’ on the size of his penis. We all do it, whether it’s obvious or not. That little fact plays more into ‘fat castration’ than inherent misogyny.

Tovar goes on to suggest that a fat man not being able to find his penis creates some kind of gender confusion, as a penis is the main definer of a man. She goes on to say that fat alters the way genitals look. Er, like, no shit Tovar! These memes don’t exist because society doesn’t know that fat affects the way genitals look, they exist because of that very reason. We laugh because it’s not normal for a man to not be able to see his penis. A penis is not just a sexual organ, it actually serves a daily purpose. We laugh because not being able to see your penis actually stops you functioning as a man, as a member of the human race.

We also laugh at fat women’s fannies, don’t we? We make jokes about them being cavernous and having their own gravitational pull. We don’t do that because we think a woman’s vagina is a danger spot, we do it because the idea of a woman’s cunt (sorry, that sounds wrong even typing it!) being so big it can swallow an entire person is surreal and, therefore, not-funny-but-you-can’t-help-but-laugh hilarious!

She even manages to get a nice dig at porn in here, too:

We are constantly bombarded with genital uniformity in porn (where many people get their greatest exposure to sex education), when in fact there is a veritable genital cornucopia out there!

I have to say that I don’t know what type of porn Tovar watches but, actually, female bodies in porn are extremely varied. Male bodies, especially penis size, generally tend to stay the same, but even then there is still a difference between the sizes. Yes, most of them are above average but they do not all fit the same mold. Porn is not, in my experience, full of genital uniformity. I’m guessing mainstream is probably the place where that happens but, any streaming porn website will show you, mainstream, mass produced porn is not the hot topic any more. Most of my friends (women included) prefer home-made porn or some other niche market where there definitely is a wider range of body types.

Shall I tell you who I think promotes the most genital uniformity? Magazines like Cosmo and other trashy rags that claim to be for women but actually do nothing but tear down a woman’s self-esteem in order to convince them to buy the shitty products they advertise. The best thing to help out the body confidence of women? Get rid of shitty ‘women’s mags’, the same way the feminist harpies got rid of lad’s mags.

Nobody is saying that a man’s identity is becoming feminised, or that we are unable to distinguish them as men because they can’t find their penis, we are laughing because they become unrecognizable as humans, they become items of ridicule to their perceived slobbishness, their lack of discipline. The fact that they cannot find the one organ that is the main definer of their sex does not mean we see them as less of a man because we hate women or we think it leads to some confusion about gender, we laugh because we put a man’s worth in his penis and not being able to find it makes him worthless.

It’s got nothing to do with women and everything to do with how we still judge a man’s worth on his penis size. Your condescending, arrogant, victim-creating attempts at making this all about women have, once again, taken the focus off a genuine men’s issue and tried to make it all about you.

We judge a man by his penis, even feminists. This has nothing to do with women and everything to do with men. You’re right, fat men probably should be a feminist issues, especially as feminism claims to ‘help everyone’, but, as usual, what could have been a real attempt at highlighting the way we still hold the value of men in relation to the size of their penis, in the way we’ve moved away from defining and holding a woman’s value on their bodies and their bodies alone, becomes a oh-so-obvious attempt at making women the victims. Puh-lease.

Tovar says of fat bodies:

These are things that are easily adjusted for during sex, and do not affect a person’s gender identity, sexual orientation, or attractiveness.

I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say they did.

3) Moob development.

Ah, I thought this would make an appearance. Apparently, finding moobs ‘disgusting’ or suggesting that surgery is a way of correcting them is, again, somehow indicative of inherent misogyny and fear of the ‘feminisation’ of men’s bodies.

I love this bit:

Like the aforementioned “missing penis” meme, this seems to draw parallels between compulsory heterosexuality and body size as it is subtly policing the boundaries of sexuality by pointing out that only women should have breasts.

I love how feminists think not liking something is trying to ‘police’ it. Here’s the thing, the police uphold the law, that’s what their job is, they have a standard set of rules to follow and they have to uphold them (no comments about police corruption please). When you ‘police’ a woman’s body you are essentially vocalizing a set of opinions that no-one, and I mean absolutely no-one, has any power to enforce.

Having a preference is not to ‘police’ anything. I’m constantly being told to cut my hair (it’s long, have I mentioned that before), I’m constantly being told that ‘you’d look so much better with short hair’. Have I cut my hair short in the last 10 years? No. Why? Because, despite what these people say, they have no way of enforcing their comments, they are merely opinions that I can ignore.

When feminists use the word ‘policing’ it suggests that we are somehow ordering them to do something and that they have no power within themselves to oppose it. How infantilizing is that? Tovar talks about fat castration being infantilising to men, yet feminists constantly infantilise themselves in order to play the victim.

Stop using the word ‘policing’ if you want to be taken seriously. Nobody is ‘policing’ you, people are being douchebags and trying to impose their own personal values on you. If you don’t have the stones to puff your chest out and tell them to fuck off then maybe you shouldn’t be on the internet writing blogs.

Only women should have breasts? No, of course everyone has breasts, in terms of the muscles and tissue. However, women are the only ones who use their breasts to feed babies, therefore women are the only one whose breasts look like that. Making fun of moobs isn’t saying ‘you have breasts, only women should have breasts’, it’s saying ‘your breasts don’t look like a man’s breasts should, they look like a woman’s. We laugh because a man doesn’t need that much fatty tissue in his breasts because he doesn’t need to use them to help a developing life form.

As a man, you should be attracted to them, and if you have “moobs,” then you are confusing heteronormativity by blurring the culturally sanctioned bifurcation between men’s and women’s bodies.

Confusing heteronormativity? So, men are so fucking thick that they’ll see a man with moobs and think ‘oh my god, only women should have boobs, but this guy has boobs, I’m so confused!’

Ha, again that entire process of thought is laughable. We don’t ridicule moobs, or ‘bitch-tits’ as I once heard them called, because we’re desperately trying to distract ourselves from finding them attractive, we ridicule them because men are not supposed to have boobs that developed. It’s really that simple.

Truth: All humans have breasts!

Awesome, and yet feminists seem to stay eerily quiet when the issue of breast cancer in men is brought up. Funny that, a topic only gets appreciated when it fits their argument. Actually, not funny at all but entirely predictable.

She then goes on to give out some spiel about objectification and how the ‘male gaze’ becomes confused when male breasts are above the normal limit or some shit like that. Seriously, she’s actually suggesting that men aren’t going to be able to tell the difference between moobs and actual breats and that, somehow, we’ll all start objectifying moobs and become disgusted with ourselves or something. Mental gymnastics of sufficient quality to win a gold medal!

Because fat bodies – regardless of gender – are constructed as less physically able, fat men are consequently seen as threatening masculine dominance.

Constructed? What one earth…? Like, how can you say that fat bodies are ‘constructed’ as being less physically able when, like, they are less physically able? Here’s an experiment for you, take a fat person and a relatively fit person and make them run 100 metres. I shouldn’t have to tell you who wins.

How do fat men threaten masculine dominance? If anything those men are absolutely no threat whatsoever. Are men so weak that those who are out of shape and unable to perform to the same standards as physically able men are somehow threatening? When did being less able at something become threatening to those who are more able? Mind blown!

She comes to the same conclusion she posited at the start:

The anxiety that fat men are becoming women or exhibiting traits historically ascribed to women, I believe, is at the heart (of at least some) of the fatphobia that fat men experience.

Victimhood central. She then says that misogyny is only partly to blame for the ridiculing fat men get. I’m going to put my two pennerth in and say none of the ridiculing fat men get is because of inherent misogyny. It’s simply because fat men are seen as less worthy of humanising. They embody traits that do not help with the further development of the human race. They’re lazy, ill-disciplined, lacking motivation, greedy, gluttonous slobs whose only thoughts are whether or not they should all 8 of the donuts they’ve just bought.

It’s a much, much more complex issue than simply fat men = misogyny. Tovar had to literally invent a term in order to show how fat men are a feminist issue.

What does it say about feminism when a woman has to literally invent shit in order to place herself, and all women, as the victim? It says it’s a movement that cannot bear to let men have their own issues, it cannot bear to let us discuss men’s issues as simply men’s issues. It suggest that feminism literally views women as so weak and fragile that everything and everyone hates them, that every ill of the world is a direct result of the way we belittle them. It shows an inherent narcissism within certain feminists that they cannot bear to not be involved, to not gain just a little bit of sympathy.

They are willing to hijack what should be an important discussion about men’s health (because, funnily enough, not being able to find your penis to go to the bathroom isn’t natural) and turn it into a ‘oh, poor wimmenz, look how much we’re hated’ spiel that has absolutely nothing to do with them.

Fat men are not natural, trust me I am one. Moobs are not natural, they are an excess of fat that we don’t need. Not being able to find your penis is not natural, it’s a sign that you’ve eaten too much and not done enough physical activity.

This is a brilliant example of the way society sees fat people:


We laugh at them because they can’t go for very long without food (junk food, by the way), we laugh because they see their life as the passage between meals, we laugh because they do unorthodox jobs that we wouldn’t normally expect people to do. Not a single insinuation there that his body is feminised.

Fat men are not a feminist issue, your narcissism and victim culture are what makes them a feminist issue. Not everything is a feminist issue. The sooner you realise that and stop making every issue about you, like some pathetic, whinging playground child, the sooner you might actually start addressing some real issues like, you know, the abuse of children by women. Now that’s a fucking feminist issue!

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